Monday 14 July 2008

1. Self or Other

I feel like the Dr Nick Riviera of psychology. Hi, Everybody!!

Here are some hack observations. Most people will have no idea what I'm talking about. But some may nod your heads and recognise these traits.

Sometimes, people are 'Self' centred, to the detriment of their regard for 'Others'.


SELF

__________

other


Here are some characteristics of the 'Self' centred person:

  • laps up attention and adulation, needs constant affirmation
  • has an over-inflated ego
  • self-aggrandizing, has to be / do the best and thought of that way, name-drop and associate themselves with the best
  • gossipy
  • their time, opinion and plans are more important than others so they steamroll over others
  • has no time for other's problems and weaknesses
  • likes to tell people how it's really done
  • thinks they deserve special treatment
  • are competitive, engages in one-up-(wo)manship
  • gets envious easily
  • gets angry when they don't get their way
  • gets angry when they are criticised
  • finds help, explanation, concession and concern condescending
  • controlling
  • passive-aggressive
  • are bossy, bullying
  • if someone were to say sorry, they may want to reply "So you should be"
  • it would kill them to say sorry, thanks or pay a compliment properly
  • feels threatened by other people's success, happiness, achievement
  • gloats in the humiliation, failure of others
  • are guarded, self-protective and don't let people in into what they are really like
  • forges exclusive alliances, thrives on secrecy
  • tends to dominate over, manipulate or pressure people into doing what they want
  • plays 'water polo' (players push down on other players to go up in the air): may put others down, step over others, slanders
  • disregards insults or hurt to others
  • will act to benefit self even at the detriment of the other

May or may not come with: manners, charm, wealth, intelligence, achievement, religion, self-control, insight into reality, genuine affection and admiration.

It's ironic, or paradoxical, but the self-centred person is usually really insecure and do all these things in order to boost a low and fragile self-esteem. They project a (false) desirable image of themselves or appear a certain way to get people to doing what they want (even disguising themselves as their opposite, e.g. posing as the victim, the vulnerable), but the facade is lacking in genuineness and substance. They are empty.



At the other pole, people can be 'Other' centred, to the detriment of their regard for 'Self'.


OTHER

_______________

self


Here are some characteristics of the 'other' centred person:

  • sensitive, empathetic, can step into their shoes
  • affirming, supportive
  • good listener, attentive, reads people well
  • open
  • humble, servant hearted
  • considers others' needs, opinions and time first before their own
  • knows their friends more than vice versa
  • generous with time, energy and affection
  • sticks their necks out for others, put themselves 'out there'
  • looks out for the weak
  • gives people an “out” in an embarrassing situation
  • makes time for other's problems, opinions, weaknesses
  • can set aside their own feelings for the evening, so as to not 'ruin' other people's fun
  • gives people the benefit of the doubt, give second, third, seventy-seventh chances
  • covers for others, meeting their deficiencies
  • may need to set boundaries with 'self' centred people so they are not taken advantage of and used
  • are a magnet for others with multiple problems and issues
  • has many lopsided friendships (looks like counselor-client, carer-patient rather than peer-peer relationship)
  • may be acutely aware of everyone else's needs, but may have difficulty articulating their own feelings and needs
  • will act to benefit the other even at the detriment of self


May or may not come with: humour, happiness, unhealed wounds, gentleness, warm and fuzzies, self-respect, insight into reality, acknowledgment of being used, guilt, complaints, anger, self-deprecation, self-pity, endurance, tough love, appropriate boundaries.


Funnily enough, the latter may look like a doormat and may be abused by the former, but they are actually more internally robust. They genuinely have 'got it together' and have enough self-respect and love that they can care for others. They are filled.

Together, the Self-centred and the Other-centred person make a natural, but unhealthy relationship. They gravitate to each other because the attention is on the same person! The asymmetry is because of dependence (the self-centred person depends on the other-centred person to give them what they need) and power (the self-centred person needs to control the other-centred person).

Other-centred person often complies or enables the Self-centred person to behave and act how they want. They are exhausted of their resources and feel like their energy is being sucked out of them, vampire style. A relationship between 'self' and 'other' centred people is ultimately flawed and difficult to maintain unless this dynamic is corrected. A 'Self'-'Self' relationship is just destructive, but there's a natural justice in giving as good as they get! However, relationship between two 'Other' centred people is lovely. Their giving of themselves is reciprocated and replenished by the other - they are not exhausted.

Kudos to Mark and DBK who used the categories of 'Self' and 'Other-person' centredness.

6 comments:

Jean said...

I was reflecting on this post in the shower this morning :) when it occurred to me that the categories "self / other - centred" are not personality profiles, according to the Bible.

We are all profoundly self-centred. The other-person centred personality, if we're speaking of "personality types", is not really other-centred at all. They cover up their selfishness better, maybe because the approval of others matters more to them. Their sins "follow" them, rather than "going ahead" of them, but they are self-centred sinners all the same.

The only truly other-centred person is someone transformed from the inside out by Christ. By personality-type, they may be a "self-centred" rather than an "other-centred" person, ie. less of a people pleaser.

But give me a naturally self-centred person transformed by Christ into someone who truly loves, rather than a naturally gentle, unassuming person who hasn't accepted Christ, any day!

A relationship between two self-centred people transformed by Christ: now that's something worth seeing.

Jean said...

Which, of course, you said much of in your next post ;)!! Forgive me for repeating your ideas as if they were my own.

Honoria said...

Thank-you for thinking hard about this post, Jean. Glad we came to the same conclusion! (Too much thinking about this does my head in and I don't know what's straight anymore.)

I've been thinking about Narcissism a lot lately, through the lens of psychology. And the profile for the personality disorder has been very clear, comprehensive and helpful. However, it's just a fancy way of labeling selfishness, which the Bible calls Sin. We all sadly are profoundly selfish, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-focused, self-promoting, self-loving. There is no cure for this within ourselves... No wonder our world despairs when it's filled with sinful people.

This sinfulness is closely related to the Biblical description of The Arrogant, who are "puffed up" with their pride (i.e. filled with air / nothing).

The only remedy is the overwhelming and overflowing love of Christ being poured into, being absorbed by and indwelling in a person. His abundant love fills up the empty person and transforms the recipient inside out, as you say. And this enables them to love him back and even give love to others. What drastic therapy! How boundless and measureless his love!!

Trying to work out how "It's more blessed to give than receive" fits in there.

Honoria said...

Look out for the added DBK quote in the second post.

Jean said...

Great quote!

Out of curiosity, is the other- / self-centred personality typing something you've come across in psychology? It reminds me of stress thrower / stress receiver (the thrower being the selfish and the receiver being the other??).

Honoria said...

Not that I know of (but then, I don't know much about psychology!) 'Self' and 'Other' are adjusted categories from DB Knox. (I'm an intellectual property developer). He calls it "other-person-centredness".

I like your "Thrower" / "Receiver" of stress! That's a helpful way of seeing the dynamics.


There seems to be variations on the theme:

Overfunctioning /
Underfunctioning

(i.e. taking people's burdens on too much /
not taking on your own responsibilities)


I think in terms of:

Giver /
Taker

(i.e. someone who gives others affections, time, attention, consideration a lot or too much /
someone who takes others' affections, time, attention, consideration a lot or too much)

Thanks noting where terms come from. You're right, I've borrowed language from psychology and Christianity. But there are limitations in using both. Psychological definitions makes the subject too clinical and removed from real life. Christian categories are more general than what I'm using them for here and carries baggage. (e.g. 'sin' is used in many different ways in the Bible, and the discussion here is only a small, small component. Plus the word comes with so many connotations, like so much of jargon). I've tried to use everyday words so people can recognise it quicker...